schmerica: (hcl: coooool)
Pearl-o ([personal profile] schmerica) wrote2006-08-03 11:21 am
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[identity profile] akite.livejournal.com 2006-08-03 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you mean do I feel sympathy more for one over the other? If so, that's a tough question. I feel for Joe because he's so fucked up, but I have sympathy for Billy too. Hmmm...

[identity profile] kirbybits.livejournal.com 2006-08-03 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
[is a shallow, shallow girl]

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair, he is VERY pretty.

[identity profile] kirbybits.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
see, that's MY thinking. The halo effect? Totally works on me.

[identity profile] mei-x.livejournal.com 2006-08-03 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
*passing by on my FriendsFriends list*

This is such a tough question. Do I find one of the guys markedly more sympthetic than the other? No, BUT -- I always lean towards Billy. I get his motivations to not want to flounder around in dive bars, etc. I do understand Joe as well, but if push comes to shove I lean toward Billy.

But it's not marked at all.

[identity profile] mei-x.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
In HCR, Baker talks about how the story might differ if HCL were a girl band. He said something about how women in their mid-30s might not be as inclined to to roam Canada in a busted up old milk truck and would be ready to move on to the next stage. I can see that -- as a woman in her 30s, I identify with Billy's desire to move on and how the dive bar days could get old. Joe's need to keep the status quo, and the way he literally pisses away his chances at success -- these traits make me sympathize with him, but at the same time I wouldn't fault someone for wanting (or probably more accurately, needing) to leave him behind.
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[personal profile] lorem_ipsum 2006-08-05 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Ditto.

[identity profile] sloganeer.livejournal.com 2006-08-03 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
having read the book first, i find joe so much more sad.

all this hcl discussion is interesting because i just found out a friend loves the book, but had no idea it was a movie. and we have such different perspectives on the characters.

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
I still have not read the book at all! I tend to forget it even exists.

[identity profile] sloganeer.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
if only for comparison purposes, you should check it out. it's been a while, so i don't remember all that is in it, but it's the ending that sticks in your head. the ending is *so* different. which is a big part about why the end of the movie -- especially on first view -- was such a blow.

[identity profile] mergatrude.livejournal.com 2006-08-03 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow! Slightly more people have sympathy for Billy, when Joe is obviously a big WOOBIE!!! (or maybe I've watched too many vids, and should watch the movie again.)

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
*giggles* Like you need an excuse?

[identity profile] sisabet.livejournal.com 2006-08-03 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I can't really discuss this as I am still busy imagining Joe Dick: Feminist Icon.

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
It really gets STUCK there in your brain, doesn't it?
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[personal profile] starfishchick 2006-08-04 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
Billy, but it's really close. If Joe had decided to not kill himself and live without HCL, I would pick him, but Billy gets my vote for having to live with what Joe has done.

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
*makes notes*
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[identity profile] elbomac.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
It really depends, for me, on my mood at the time. The first time I watched the movie I was all about Billy (CKR, how are YOU so awesome?); after THE ENDING, I immediately watched it again for Joe. Now I go back and forth, so - no.

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* That makes sense.

[identity profile] scriggle.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
I sympathize with both of them (and with Billy slightly more than Joe) but I don't find one more sympathetic than the other. If that makes any sense.

[identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com 2006-08-04 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
No, it makes sense to me!