no waycest cooties

[schmerica]

So, uh, you guys all know that when a pair of siblings is

a) the same sex
b) pretty close in age
c) really close friends

...it's not actually that unusual for them to talk about their sex lives with each other, right? The same way they would with any of their other friends?

I mean, "LALALALA I AM PUTTING MY HANDS OVER MY EARS BECAUSE I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MY BROTHER HAS A DICK AND/OR SEXUAL URGES" is a totally valid characterization, it really is. I just find it kind of weird that it seems so incredibly dominant in most MCR stories.

(Well, except for the incest stories. BUT THAT OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T COUNT. I'm talking about just normal non-incestuous Gerard+Mikey interaction!)

Comments

[frogy.livejournal.com]

That bothers me too.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Like I said, I think it's a valid characterization! There's just other ways to go, too, you know?

[impertinence.livejournal.com]

I would think so. I've never had that kneejerk "OH GOD SHUT UP YOU'RE A VIRGIN" reaction with my older sister when she TMIs in my general reaction.

[violin-road.livejournal.com]

I have it about my little sister ALL THE TIME, though. She's way more interested in my sex life [which is still not very] than I am in hers, so it may be different between older and younger siblings?

[jezrana.livejournal.com]

Speaking for myself, my own relationship with my brother colors pretty much all my writing/discussing of sibling relations, and we sort of...acknowledge that each other's sex lives exist in a general sense, and leave it at that. Though maybe I should take into better account that it might be different with same-sex siblings.

Also, at least among the bandom people I've talked to most, there's a trend to make the boys dorks and/or silly in a boyish way, and maybe "LA LA LA IGNORING ANY TALK OF BROTHER!SEX" fits better with that than calmly and maturely acknowledging your brother's sex life.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Yeah, see, I have a brother and a sister, and my relationship with them is so completely different, you know? I would totally do the squcked out reaction to thinking about my brother, but it's something I could totally discuss with my sister easily.

[supergrover24.livejournal.com]

I like to think that Gerard just doesn't want to hear about Pete's Penis Adventures anymore than he already has to.

But again, I don't talk sex with my siblings. At all. Ever. I do with my nieces, though. So. *shrugs*

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, I was actually thinking about that first part, dude! There are totally things you don't want to know about people. But I think that would be just as true if it was, say, Frank or Ray or whoever fucking Pete.

[valerie-z.livejournal.com]

My sister and I are three years apart (actually, we're the same ages as Mikey and Gerard), and we can talk about sex just fine. I think I would only really get squicked if it was my parents having the sex.

In conclusion, my sister is hot.

[exsequar.livejournal.com]

I think Gee totally thinks Mikey is hot. He might not say it that way, but I'm sure he would bolster Mikey's self-esteem if he ever needed it! "You're the sexiest bassist that ever was, Mikey! I'd totally do you." And he'd say it very earnestly, with his big serious eyes, and Mikey would try really hard not to smile.

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[frog4.livejournal.com]

See, I know it's common for sibs to share sex stories and stuff- I have friends who have that kind of relationship- but with my own darling baby sister?

Well, she makes the rules, and apparently the rules are that she can tell me all about her sexcapades in as much detail as possible, but if I so much as mention that I may, at some distant point in the past, have possibly engaged in what could be considered a sexual activity, she literally does the whole LALALALA I AM PUTTING MY HANDS OVER MY EARS routine. So maybe this is why I'm not bothered by it in fic? But then again, there are other Issues I have with fic occasionally, so.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's not something that bothers me in individual stories! Because as I said, it is a characterization that makes sense! It just seems strange to me that it's the only common response.

[gobsmackit.livejournal.com]

I have a twin brother.



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*is unable to contribute anything to this conversation*

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

BUT IT MAKES ME EXCITED WHEN YOU COMMENT ANYWAY. <3

[lovesongwriter.livejournal.com]

Me and my brother have pretty much the same age difference of the ways.

I think it's different when it's brother and sister. Cause I'll be like "HEY FRANKIE, DID YOU DO IT?"

and he's very "D: DO NOT WANT. DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR BOOBS. SHUT UP. OH GOD."

Which is hilarious. Cause TMI is amazing to watch his face contort.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

I have an older brother and a younger sister. I cannot imagine ever, ever, EVER discussing sex or relationships or dating with my brother. My sister and I bond over hot dudes. You know?

[neery.livejournal.com]

I think they're both valid characterizations. On the one hand, I know a lot of siblings who talk about sex all the time, on the other, there are people who write infamous sexually explicit advice columns and still get squicked by the idea that their brother may have possibly ever had sex. So I'm usually confused that bandom almost always goes with the squicked option, too. (Although I guess the comedy value is far higher for that one.)

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I agree! I'm not saying the squick isn't valid, because that IS a common and understandable reaction! It's just ... not the only one, you know?

[sweetvalleyslut.livejournal.com]

I enjoy that characterization, because it's funny, but after the interview where Gerard makes fun of Mikey's first time...Mikey must have told him about it, and it must not squick Gerard that much if he thinks it's funny to bring it up. But perhaps we need more interviews like that one before we can reach a canon consensus!

[thesamefire.livejournal.com]

OMG LINK PLS

[violin-road.livejournal.com]

There also is the possibility, and this is totally guesswork here, that because there is such a strong incest contingent to this community, the non-incest people feel the need to ward it off as much possible. "See? They can't possibly be doing it; Mikey doesn't even like to acknowledge that Gerard has a penis!" &c.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, I was wondering about that too! Which, uh, is why I titled this post with the waycest cooties. There's just a huge amount of stuff in between "automatic squick" and "incesty goodness!", you know? These dudes seem pretty comfortable with each other's bodies.

[sofiaviolet]

I don't think the prevalence of this characterization bothers me as much as it bothers some other people, because I do put my hands over my ears when my brother starts in on this stuff. That said, I don't think I have ever read a non-Waycest story that had any other characterization, and I do so love variety in my fic.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

It's not that it's not a good characterization choice! It's just weird to me, is all.

[exsequar.livejournal.com]

That's a good point! I'd never really thought about it that way, because my brother and I have the EW COOTIES reaction, or would if it ever came up, and my sister's 13, so, yaknow. So it just never occurred to me.

Now I want stories where Gee and Mikey freely swap tales of their sexual adventures! Gee giving Mikey tips and perhaps a hand!

Ahaha I'm terrible.

[violin-road.livejournal.com]

IT JUST LEADS TOO EASILY TO PORN.


>D

[greyandgrey.livejournal.com]

I've seen in a few fics the characterization where Gerard's cool with Mikey's sex life and Mikey's like "Omigod, Gee! You're my brother, get OUT!" and Gerard's all "I was just trying to help!" and that also is HILARIOUS.

(I'm thinking specifically of that one commentfic story where Frank is trying to give Mikey a blowjob and it's not going very well and eventually Gerard shouts from beyond the curtain "God, just DO it already!" and Mikey's like "Yeah, there's no way this is happening now")

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Ahahahahaha, yes, I loved that one!

[fallingfortruth.livejournal.com]

My sister and I are of the same age gap as Gerard and Frank (so a year bigger than the Gee-and-Mikey age gap) and we talk about our sex lives (or tragic lack thereof) all the time.

We also have a very entertaining "Keine Icest!" rant that we both indulge in, which is kind of amusing since we're both ardent supporters of the Crazy Space Incest.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

*nods* It's just ... it's not that weird, people! Not going "EWWWWWW GERARD HAS A PENIS" is not necessarily a direct line to "NOW I AM GOING TO SUCK GERARD'S PENIS." These dudes have a really close and seemingly pretty open relationship; I think being open about their sex lives is totally a possibility.

[jacquez.livejournal.com]

My brothers (2 years younger than I) and I don't really discuss sex with each other. In our younger years we would do things like say "look, if you need condoms, go in my nightstand" and so on, but that was the extent of it. I know for sure an certain that my brothers have had intense, close, personal discussions of their sex lives with each other.

(My sisters and I are pretty far apart in age, but the closer they are to my stage in life the more personal our discussions about sex have been. If more of them were closer in age/stage of life, I am certain we'd have more & more personal discussions, just from the way our talks have altered in the past few years as more of them have graduated from college, etc. (I am 30 and have been married almost 7 years.))

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

I cannot imagine ever discussing sex/dating/relationships with my brother (4 years old). I can imagine doing it with my sister (4 years younger) incredibly easily.

[lovelypoet.livejournal.com]

I was having some thoughts about this kind of dynamic just last night, actually. Because I was wondering where all the stories about them talking shit and comparing and it just being a guys who happen to be brothers talking about sex kind of way.

I think I kind of just want a story where they're being guys. The whole band. Just sitting around talking about mishaps and ridiculous things that have happened in sexual encounters... and there's no cringing... except in sympathy because yes, shampoo is drying and not the best wank aid. And when Gerard starts in on a story about the time Elena walked in on him jerking off when he was fifteen (he forgot to lock the bathroom door), Mikey's already rolling on the floor laughing because he was *there* when it happened. He remembers how mortified everyone in the family was, except him. He thought it was hilarious when it happened and still thinks it's the funniest thing in the world. Because Gerard spent like two days swearing he was just going to chop his dick off. "Might as well. It's never going to work again. I'm never going to have sex. I can't. I mean..." all because his *grandmother* saw him jerking off...

Gerard finishes his story and Mikey's still laughing so hard he can barely breathe, and so are the rest of the guys. And Gerard's just all "Fuck you, Mikey! It's not like you LEARNED from my mistakes, you moron!" and then gets to tell them all about the time their MOM walked in on Mikey and his first girlfriend (She was sitting in his lap with his hand up her skirt and her shirt was unbuttoned and his pants were half way down his thighs... and he got grounded pretty much indefinitely and had to sit down and have a *conversation* about the dangers of unprotected sex with his father).

Mikey refuses to be embarrased! At least his getting caught involved something other than his own hand...

The rest of the band is just shaking their heads, because only the Way Brothers could tell these stories and yet STILL not have figured out how to lock doors when they are doing things they don't want to be interrupted in. And it moves on to Frank's turn...

[frogy.livejournal.com]

OMG YES!

This is exactly what I imagine their relationship to be like.

[ladysorka]

I can't even conceive of being good friends with my sister or talking to her more than once or twice a year, so I have absolutely no clue what close siblings are like.

[belladonnalin.livejournal.com]

*points to this comment and co-signs*

I mean, my brother called me when he thought he had an STD, but that's just because I'm the sluttiest person he knows, so he was like "is this the clap?"

[vic-ramsey.livejournal.com]

I'm close to both my older brother and younger sister. We're all over the age of 25 and if either of them spoke about sex they were having I would cut off my ears.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

*nods* I think that's a fairly common situation! Just not the only possibility.

[drunktuesdays.livejournal.com]

my brother is asexual. all evidence to the contrary is to be disregarded.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

Does he reproduce by splitting in two? Because, awesome.

[prettykitty-aya.livejournal.com]

ahahaha, my brother is 7 years older than me and we have had long-ass discussions about his 'adventures' but whenever we're hanging out and my sex life comes up? omg, he can't handle it. it's seriously hilarious.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

*grins* SIBLINGS ARE WEIRD.

[mercurybard.livejournal.com]

Quite often, I think I yell and fuss and complain because it's expected of me. And I'll overshare with the brothers who are closest in age to me because I like the horrified faces they make (telling them I'm wearing a thong, for instance, gets me lots of lovely screeching).

But I think my favorite story in this vein is getting a call at 3am because one of my younger brothers had just caught one of my younger sisters having sex with her boyfriend in the cab of the bf's truck that was parked in front of our house (later, we lectured her at length about better places to park...and, also, safe sex) and felt the burning need to share the pain. Then my sister chased him around the house with a knife, threatening to carve out his eyes, while I laughed until my ribs ached.

[elucidate-this.livejournal.com]

neither my sister nor i have much of a sex life to speak about, but i have to say that my preference is that she tell me things in blurry watercolor rather than explicit detail.

[irradiatedsoup.livejournal.com]

I have a sister close in age, and close in general and I do the LA LA LA not listening, and so does she. Though, she has more problems with me over-sharing than I do with her.

Example 1--

SISTER: Me and [boyfriend] were talking about what would happen if I got pregnant.
ME: No you weren't! You don't do the thing!
SISTER: Yeah, I know. Sorry.

Example 2--

ME: OH RAY TORO! PUT YOUR PENIS IN ME!
SISTER: You are so gross.
ME: PENIS! PENIS PENIS PENIS!


...Possibly we just like to torment each other on purpose. :\

But you know, I think. Everyone is different. We've all seen Gerard on stage. He's an over-share-er, with the world.

[wordsalone.livejournal.com]

*stops lurking*

My brother and I are five years apart and we're very open with each other. I don't necessarily want to hear him talk about sex, but I want him to know that I'm here for him if he needs to. He gets that. We both see pictures of guys and girls and talk about how hot they are. We both are perfectly aware that the other has orgasms on a regular basis but we don't really share the details. I think we're both okay with that.

If it's not completely unusual for siblings of the opposite sex to talk to each other about sex, then I imagine it's even less unusual for those of the same sex.

Also, hi. I love Geof from Ace of Cakes too. I want to have his awesome little babies.