So, hey: I am a member of bandflesh. I've never tried particularly hard to hide this, and I've had it confirmed on multiple occasions that anybody who comes in to read the comm for the first time has been able to identify me almost immediately. I am not subtle, I am not a ninja, and I am not ashamed of my involvement there.
I understand why people have problems with the comm, and I respect their positions, even though I don't agree with them. I've inadvertantly hurt one of my good friends there at least once, to be honest, and knowing I did so made me cry and consider leaving the comm for good. In the end, we sorted that out and reached a place where I have both that friend and the joy I get from bandflesh.
That only works if the person trusts me, though. I can say that I don't "hide behind anonymity" as an excuse to talk shit about people, but why should you believe me? If you trust me, I'm glad. If you don't, then it makes sense you'd defriend me over this. I think that's less an issue about bandflesh than it is about our relationship, and it makes me sad, but it's totally your prerogative, you know?
Like I said in the first paragraph, I am not a subtle person in any way. I have a fuckload of flaws, but I really don't think two-facedness is one of them. If I love you, I hope you know it and believe it.
I understand why people have problems with the comm, and I respect their positions, even though I don't agree with them. I've inadvertantly hurt one of my good friends there at least once, to be honest, and knowing I did so made me cry and consider leaving the comm for good. In the end, we sorted that out and reached a place where I have both that friend and the joy I get from bandflesh.
That only works if the person trusts me, though. I can say that I don't "hide behind anonymity" as an excuse to talk shit about people, but why should you believe me? If you trust me, I'm glad. If you don't, then it makes sense you'd defriend me over this. I think that's less an issue about bandflesh than it is about our relationship, and it makes me sad, but it's totally your prerogative, you know?
Like I said in the first paragraph, I am not a subtle person in any way. I have a fuckload of flaws, but I really don't think two-facedness is one of them. If I love you, I hope you know it and believe it.
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10/6/08 02:30 (UTC)And yep, you are totes the first person I realized was on bandflesh, and had a lot to do with me going "okay, maybe it's not the pit of satan's minions that I've heard it is." So thank you for that. *hugs*
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10/6/08 02:44 (UTC)Cause you are <3
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10/6/08 03:21 (UTC)In other news, ♥! I HAD NO IDEA.
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10/6/08 03:25 (UTC)The community did not set out to hurt anyone. I understand that. People were hurt nonetheless, and there are members of bandflesh who are irrationally defending those hurtful actions.
People were hurt, and I understand that, too. But defriending every single member of the community, including close friends, because they *might* have said mean things about you or someone you know is also irrational.
All this is to say that I'm really relieved to see you representing a middle ground, admitting that mistakes can be made but can also be repaired.
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10/6/08 03:29 (UTC)Though honestly, I suspect it would take me embarrassingly long to identify anyone-- no matter how long I've known them-- without their usernames attached because of aforementioned oblivious- and denseness. So you'll all always be ninja-like to me!
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10/6/08 04:24 (UTC)And like I said in my own journal: I have paranoia and trust issues, but I had them before I ever set foot on the internet, and I try to work on them on my own and not let them affect my internet (or RL) friendships.
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10/6/08 07:03 (UTC)I actually don't get the outcry - that community, from what I can tell, has not been the cause of or the centre of every drama or kerfuffle in bandom lately, so I have no problem with it. With regards to the anonymous thing, I've certainly seen horribly "open" bitchy posts on lj with names attached all fine and dandy, but just cryptic enough that the people being bitched about can't really defend themselves - so anonymity is not the default worst way you can make bitchy posts in public, is what I'm saying.
I don't know, it tends to rub me the wrong way when people post about how other people and their secret communities are so horrible and hateful and totally to blame for their now terribly sad fandom experience. You see it all over fandom. It just seems like the onus is misplaced. Shouldn't you have to take responsibility for your own fandom experience and not do things that land you on fandom wank, etc?
Anyway. Wow, this got all rambly. Basically what I'm saying is, hey, bandflesh, I go there for pictures sometimes so please post many and please stop saying there is no Pete/Mikey subtext.
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