I <3 Heroes very much.

[schmerica]

Here is my question about Heroes:

Okay, so, Future!Hiro still has all the memories of the original timeline, before he went back to tell Peter Petrelli to save the cheerleader, save the world. So he still remembers stabbing Sylar, and having it not work, because Sylar had Claire's regenerative powers. Okay.

Everybody else in the five-years-in-the-future are in the revised timeline, not the original timeline. So: Claire is still alive, Peter saved her, Mohinder remembers the time on the train, etc, etc. Sylar does not kill Claire and get her regenerative powers until two-thirds of the way through the episode.

So ... why isn't Sylar dead in this timeline? Why didn't the Hiro in that timeline get to stab him and thus kill him? Is this the same timeline Current!Hiro is on, so in the next two episodes Hiro is going to try and change the future dystopia and fail and actually lead directly to it? But then where did Isaac get the pictures for the comic from?

Sigh.

(Of course, the OTHER question is, nobody but Peter and Nathan know that Peter is the guy who blows up the city, not Sylar. So Future!Hiro's entire string thing is based on one incredibly wrong assumption, and so, um, will killing Sylar do anything to save the world ANYWAY?)

...Man, I love this show.

Comments

[misspamela.livejournal.com]

....ow.

Hi! How are you?

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

*curls up with you and hides*

[misspamela.livejournal.com]

*pets you*

[marginalia.livejournal.com]

i do not know the answer to any of these questions, because you understood it way better than i did. i couldn't even figure out how future!hiro had tried to kill sylar. i seriously need someone to watch this show with. the internet is insufficient!

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

*giggles a lot*

[marginalia.livejournal.com]

do not mock my lack of brains!

hee :)

[shati.livejournal.com]

Future!Hiro doesn't know that Claire is still alive; he has to hear it from present!Hiro. (And by then Sylar is disguised as Nathan.) Because Nathan framed Sylar for the blast, and because HRG hid Claire, future!Hiro doesn't realize he'd changed anything ("it was all supposed to change") until present!Hiro shows up, so he thinks Sylar is still unkillable.

Unless you mean why didn't he go back in time to kill Sylar? He said something about risking a rift when he went to deliver the message to Peter, so presumably he's worried about doing too much himself in the past.

I think. I'm confused now. The whole thing hurts my brain.

Unless that's Sylar. *looks over shoulder*

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

No, I realize that Future!Hiro doesn't know that Claire is alive, and thinks nothing has changed. But if things *did* change so that the series of events has Claire alive, then wouldn't the same things have made it so Hiro stabbing Sylar in the past would have killed him, since he didn't have his powers?

My brain is hurting a lot, too, now.

[shati.livejournal.com]

Oh, okay. Umm -- I don't think so. I think the future that future!Hiro jumped to from the subway and present!Hiro jumped to from Linderman's is the future as it happened if present!Hiro had never returned to his timeline. So he just blinked out of existence until subway!Hiro showed up again. No Hiro for a few years. Because present!Hiro returning to the timeline with (INCOMPLETE OMG NOOO) knowledge is what's going to split it again, the way future!Hiro's subway message split it the first time.

Um. Ow. Does that even go near what you're wondering?

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

...Yes! That is an acceptable answer! It's still wacky, but I kind of can follow the logic. You win.

[shati.livejournal.com]

Now I just need to not think about the logistics of "Six Months Ago," and I might keep my sanity intact.

[fox1013.livejournal.com]

Puppies are fuzzy.

[pearl-o.livejournal.com]

AND CUTE.

[fox1013.livejournal.com]

THEY BARK (AND DON'T KILL UNIVERSES)!

[charashi.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm pretty sure the Five Years Gone future is just one of many possible futures (I think Heroes is kind of operating on the Trousers of Time principle, where some things are changeable and some things will just sorta tend to happen no matter what), but you do raise a very good point about the Sylar vs. Peter issue!

Man, Hiro vs. Sylar is like... I don't know if I can really handle that, man. :( That's two of my favorite characters. The only way it would be harder for me is if it were Mr. Bennet vs. Sylar now (because, frankly, I was not a Sylar fan back then).

[laughingacademy.livejournal.com]

So ... why isn't Sylar dead in this timeline? Why didn't the Hiro in that timeline get to stab him and thus kill him?

I’m wondering if/when Sylar met/is going to meet Candace. Perhaps the “Sylar” in Isaac’s drawing isn’t really Sylar? Candace’s usually assumes the appearance of others (Simone, Mrs. Bennett, Claire, Niki) but she can also project illusions in her immediate surroundings — she hid Simone’s body on Isaac’s bed from the cops, and (I think) concealed PrimaTech thugs while masquerading as Mrs. Bennett. Maybe in an upcoming episode Sylar will eat Candace’s brains (YAY!) and, at Zero Hour, project a glamour of himself onto someone else, who will then be attacked by Hiro.

...As for your other question, Peter was the Exploding Man in the Dead!Cheerleader!Verse but maybe won’t be in this one. We have at least one other candidate for boomhood: RadioacTed.

[nestra.livejournal.com]

I love that there are actually three plausible bomb!guys, and despite the fact that we've known about the bomb since the first episode, any of those three are still completely viable possibilities. It's a lovely bit of plotting.

[inkjunket.livejournal.com]

yay, thanks for hosting the brain-pretzel party! the isaac factor is super confusing. was he only able to see one future, or multiple futures? it seems like he had the ability to see multiple futures, since he was able to see claire's death (right?), which didn't happen, but also saw most of hiro's path, and the things that need to happen to change the future and avert the bomb (hopefully!), like sylar being killed. although, right, how would the future change with nathan alive instead of sylar, because peter was the bomb? at least the heroes wouldn't be rounded up to have their brains eaten by the president. but ooh, my brain hurts.

sorry for the lurking! we met briefly at muskratjamboree.